Friday, November 4, 2011

Caveat Venditor, Redux - "IntoStores.com" Sends Me an Email

Every  now and then this post from 2009 gets a comment thanking me for the research I did into "IntoStores.com" which is re-posted under the Monday Miscellany graphic below. The last comment I received got me thinking that I should re-post this, with that comment as an intro to remind us to investigate as best we can (before we commit our credit card #) to any 'deal' we might hear about to get our work out there with retailers! Also, if it comes to you via email out of the blue, it's a pretty good bet it's not something you want to be involved with.

Here's the comment:

Thanks for posting this since, like an ass, I fell for it! I have been trying to cancel forever now and they have no phone number on the site (imagine that!) and the number listed on my card statement just rolls right to a voice mail. I called the number you posted and got the guy's voice mail too. I did leave a message though. Hopefully they'll cancel it. I don't even care about the refund (it was my own stupid fault for falling for it. I'll chalk that up to a learning experience) but I don't want to continue to pay for it!! I appreciate your posting the number. Thanks!! 
First off, thanks MomX for commenting. Secondly, you weren't an ass at all, these kinds of schemers are clever, they have a legitimate looking site, and the message appeals to our desire as artists/creators to get our work out there in the public and make it more profitable. 

I was a bit ahead of the game as I had read tons of posts and warnings about similar types in the world of publishing. It's just that I was a bit more educated about how these guys work when I got their email. These kinds of schemes are not something everyone has knowledge of. I'm just so sorry you have had such a bad experience.  Please call your credit card company and tell them you want them to stop making payments to that vendor, ask if they'll help you get a refund and that you called them because you've tried to deal with the vendor but he refuses to deal with you directly.  Good luck!




Anyone remember my post about WiseRep? Well, maybe the buzz about it was bad enough that they decided to change their name? Either that, or someone else thought it was a good idea - I just got a very similar email from "IntoStores.com".

Do you wholesale your jewelry? The department stores, apparel and accessory retailers, gift shops, specialty stores and large chains we work with are aggressively looking for jewelry to purchase this Holiday season. We need a larger variety of pieces they can choose from, hence my email to you. If you want to make a Christmas push and if you're interested in selling to more stores, now's the time. Visit us at
Sincerely,
Kevin Sanderson
VP Merchandising
866-788-5799 (ext 3)
IntoStores.com

Emails like this should set off your inner skeptic. It's not personalized at all. They say they're working with "department stores, apparel and accessory retailers, gift shops, specialty stores and large chains" but nowhere on their site do you actually get verification that they do. Get an email like this, it's time to do some detective work.


When you get these kinds of emails you might want to check out the site - but be sure your virus scanner is operating and updated, just in case. I checked the IntoStores.com site and it's full of phrases that suggest to me it's a way for them to make money off of the desperate and of no benefit to you.

I learned about similar kinds of sites at places where they discuss 'display sites' that promise to get your book picked up by agents and publishers - promises that don't pan out. A great post to review is on Writer Beware about writer' services. Many of the tips on how to evaluate a display site are applicable here.

So, what am I skeptical of with IntoStores?
  • "Welcome to one of the largest wholesale networks on the planet." but they don't provide any verifiable statistics back that up.
  • They want to "streamline the wholesale industry" - uh, a website could do that? That's a huge claim, like wanting to solve world hunger. Hyperbole like that always worries me.
  • Costs you money to join - lots of it. "Pay a one-time set-up fee of $275 and a monthly maintenance fee of $29."
  • Also, "Stores that come to you are already motivated to purchase. They'll buy on your terms. You'll set pricing, payment and delivery dates you can handle. They'll pay you directly. Pick and choose who you want to work with."
I'd be willing to bet real money that at major retailers the buyers (well, their contracts and legal staffs) set the terms. You negotiate the best deal you can, but in the end it's 'take it or leave it - there are millions of fish just like you in the sea'. That's how it works in other industries, and I'm professionally qualified via my day job to say so.

Like the buyers at Macy's, or the other stores they've swiped the logo pictures from and posted in their sidebar to make it look like they actually work with them, really want to wade through the listings on a display site. I've looked at some of the listings and I know I wouldn't.

This all sounds like come-on language for the starry-eyed. Stop and think logically. Think about how big businesses really do their purchasing. This is not how they work - I happen to work in the purchasing organization of a very big company (although I'm not a buyer) and I'm seeing a lot of red flags in how this site presents how buyers work, compared to my observation of real ones. In my opinion, this is not how you get your work sold. What it's a lot like, is how someone takes advantage of you on the internet with flashy graphics and grandiose promises.

There's nothing I can find on Google except questions in forums asking "do you think this is a good deal?" (although "elvendude's" comment here is great, so read that) - so unfortunately people are going to fall for this and spend money hoping they'll hit it big right before the holidays. I think your chances are better at Vegas.


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19 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the post on "intostores" I too got that email and was skeptical. We all know there isn't such easy access out there to buyers...

October 27, 2009 at 9:40 PM  
Blogger Dawno said...

You're welcome. The more info that gets out about these "services" that can be Googled, the better. Just trying to do my part.

October 27, 2009 at 9:49 PM  
Anonymous Nicole said...

Thanks for this post. The first thing I did after I received the email was to google intostores.com. Like you said, the only info I could find on them was your blog and a few forums asking the same question!

January 4, 2010 at 12:02 PM  
Blogger Dawno said...

You're welcome - I'm glad that I posted about this so there'd be something available for people with questions.

January 4, 2010 at 2:00 PM  
Anonymous Kay said...

I just got the same email. I am in Australia, and work closely with an Aboriginal community. I have developed my own line and am trying to get good feedback so I can start employing some of the ladies to capitalise on it.

I was so excited when I read the headline, but realise this is just too good to be true.. Talk about a let-down!!

January 21, 2010 at 1:48 AM  
Blogger Dawno said...

Kay, I love your work! I know what you mean about the let down, too.

January 21, 2010 at 7:46 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Hi I too keep getting emails from Intostores. They are now sending reminders. The stupid thing is that if they really had looked at my site properly (www.cardsbydawn.com) they would see that each of my cards is individually made and often customised for individual customers and I just couldn't supply retailers with thousands of items. That fact alone was enough to ring alarm bells for me even if I wasn't gullible enough to think that I could make lots of money through such a company. A company taking the time to trawl the internet is only interested in making money for themselves not for me.
Dawn

January 21, 2010 at 9:39 AM  
Blogger Dawno said...

Hi Dawn (love the name) - you're spot on with your comment. Thanks for adding your voice to the conversation. The only thing that will stop predatory schemes like this is getting the information out.

January 21, 2010 at 9:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be sure to check out:

http://www.startupnation.com/Anyone-heard-of-IntoStores-/topic/5/

January 26, 2010 at 11:19 AM  
Blogger Dawno said...

Thanks Anonymous - that's a good link to check.

January 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM  
Blogger Jennifer said...

Thank you for this info! and the link. I received an email months ago and decided against, but have now received yet another. Thankfully I looked into this first.

January 28, 2010 at 4:18 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Thank you,

Like others the first thing I did was Google. The first thing anything anyone should do is their homework.

Thank you again.

February 22, 2010 at 1:01 AM  
Anonymous Petra said...

Thank you so much, you and some common sense just saved me a lot of money I can now spend on more beads and crystals. Too bad it's a scam, the idea behind it is great.
Have a great day, greetings from Curacao.

February 24, 2010 at 3:01 PM  
Blogger Dawno said...

Petra, I'm glad to have been helpful!

February 24, 2010 at 3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Dawno for posting the info about into.stores - from kevin sanderson, so called VP.
I received the same email, and was immediately suspicious. I first went to snopes and like others googled into stores.com
I received another email from him yesterday, and i am glad i was skeptical. It's a sacam and I agree with what you have said as well as the other comments. Most brokers or buyers are most likely not signed up with this intostores.com. The BBB Better Biz Bureau lists 24 complaints, all are closed but that was enough of a warning to realize this is a scam. Thanks for helping me to save my hard earned money

August 9, 2011 at 5:57 AM  
Blogger MomX3 said...

Thanks for posting this since, like an ass, I fell for it! I have been trying to cancel forever now and they have no phone number on the site (imagine that!) and the number listed on my card statement just rolls right to a voice mail. I called the number you posted and got the guy's voice mail too. I did leave a message though. Hopefully they'll cancel it. I don't even care about the refund (it was my own stupid fault for falling for it. I'll chalk that up to a learning experience) but I don't want to continue to pay for it!! I appreciate your posting the number. Thanks!!

November 4, 2011 at 11:42 AM  
Blogger Dawno said...

MomX - please contact your credit card company and get them involved - ask them to not make any future payments to IntoStores, tell them you have requested a refund but the vendor is not responding. I hope they'll help you - it's why I use Amex for almost everything now since they're very aggressive on my behalf.

Good luck!

November 4, 2011 at 12:39 PM  
Anonymous Neka said...

It is people like you that give scammers and hackers a hard time. Thank you for posting this information. It saved me time, money and aggravation.

December 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM  
Blogger Dawno said...

You're very welcome, Neka - glad to have helped!

December 28, 2011 at 9:42 AM  

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